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Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor describe Gaza as “a moral tear in the universe” in a new episode of Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty. The Guardian podcast features the two writers in conversation with host Aditya Chakrabortty. Their appearance coincides with their book End Times Fascism, out now.
The book began as a special essay in the Guardian before becoming a full volume. In the interview, Klein and Taylor connect the war in Gaza to wider anxieties about authoritarian politics. They argue that Trump 2.0 raises urgent questions about whether the United States is sliding toward fascism.
The episode’s suggested reading list reflects those concerns. Economist Branko Milanović offers a different take on whether Trump’s second term is fascist. Quinn Slobodian and Ben Tarnoff examine how Elon Musk gives Donald Trump millions while receiving vast access to power.
Recommendations include Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan’s Regime Change, Paul Heideman’s Rogue Elephant, and Gil Durán’s The Nerd Reich. Karen Hao’s Empire of AI is cited by Klein and Taylor. Yanis Varoufakis’s Technofeudalism and Cecilia Rikap’s The Rulers explore AI and corporate control.
The podcast frames Gaza not as an isolated crisis but as a moral rupture with global implications. It also links Silicon Valley’s “tech bros” to a new architecture of power. Musk’s alliance with Trump is presented as a case study in that convergence.
The conversation arrives amid debate over Trump’s second term and technology billionaires. Klein and Taylor’s End Times Fascism adds to literature on democracy’s fragility. Their reading list offers listeners a roadmap for understanding those threats.
The episode serves as both a warning and an invitation to think radically. It asks how societies should respond when corporate power, AI, and authoritarianism intersect. The interview is available to watch, with the suggested readings pointing to further inquiry.
